Since when did Google Video have pirate movies?

[vinylrake]

But the difference you "Physical theft" people don't seem to understand is that I can't just walk into a store and walk out with an iPod as easily as I can turn on my computer and download an album.

From this, I conclude that you see nothing wrong with taking ipods or other physical items which belong to other people, it's just that you are a lazy thief, so you only steal intellectual property.

ARe there scanning things at the doors on my computer ? A security guard standing at the door to my computer ? Cameras monitorring the computer ?

Obviously you haven't found the ones I installed yet. er... I mean "No, of COURSE there no cameras monitoring your computer".

And I'm not going hunting through the freaking garbage.

While dumpster-diving can be fun and productive on occassion, I doubt you are going to be finding import CDs that aren't available in the US in your local dumpsters.

[vinylrake]

I'm partially against piracy. My family's policy is this: If you would buy it anyway for the asking price, you should. I mean, Iron Maiden's EDDIE'S ARCHIVES box-set is £120. I'm a hardcore Maidenite but no way I'd pay that. I've yet to get a copy tho ;)

So, as long as I am a cheap bastard (or too poor) so I would never pay $10 for a CD then it's ok then for me to download any music CDs I want until their price drops below $10 at the local CD store?

Let me rephrase what it sounds like the Elfoid family's "partially against piracy" policy is, and let me know if I have it wrong...

"It's perfectly acceptable to steal high priced things you would never pay the list/asking price for, but if you think the asking price is a good value then it's wrong to to take it without paying for it." -- The Family Elfoids

Finally I can rationalize stealing that Bentley convertible I saw the other day, I mean no way would I pay the asking price, but if it's ok to steal things as long as I would never pay the asking price, then
W00t! Arrrrr.... it's a pirates life for me!

TS. Don't worry about agreeing with me, I think I agreed with you once (and only once), so we can call it even.

[The Elfoid_TFS]

Piracy is a form of stealing, not ALL piracy is stealing.

[Baak]

[Two Saks]

lol Baak!! Care to jump in? the water is warm.

VR...There are at least two things we agree on, the other is having great satisfaction in keeling the red guys.

Argh matey, all this pirate talk is shiverin me timbers.

[Two Saks]

Piracy is a form of stealing, not ALL piracy is stealing.

Elf...I am not Socrates, but this doesn't make any sense.

Not all forms of stealing is stealing????

Maybe you are trying to make a profound metaphysical point about what is real and what isn't, but I'm going out on a limb and assuming you are not.

When there are laws, it's an IS or ISN'T situation. That's what laws are for. Having different opinions on the severity of the law being broken, if it's a good law etc...well that is an different matter. But with the current intellectual propery laws it's pretty clear. There is alot of stealing going on. No, it's not holding up a bank. No, it's not Enron. No, it's not shoplifting. But it's violating a clear law.

Dammit!!! I think I just agreed with VR again.

[vinylrake]

Piracy is a form of stealing, not ALL piracy is stealing.

Elf...I am not Socrates, but this doesn't make any sense.

Aye Matey, of COURSE not all piracy is stealin, have ye forgotten all the rapin' and pillagin'? There be some piratical activities that aren't stealin' in the sense we been talkin about here.

But with the current intellectual propery laws it's pretty clear. There is alot of stealing going on. No, it's not holding up a bank. No, it's not Enron. No, it's not shoplifting. But it's violating a clear law.

Of course TECHNICALLY there are lots of things people have done and continue to do which are probably clear violations of laws - which you won't see me court agreeing. (Last I heard, several states still had laws against two people (even if married to each other) engaging in any kind of sexual activity other than intercourse.) Back to the music arena, the recording industry always considered it illegal to copy/burn an album you purchased legally so you could have a cassette copy of your legally purchased item (dating myself I know) for playing in your car. This was their reading of the laws, they said it was an obvious violation to make ANY kind of copy of copyrighted material even if it's only for one's own or one's family and that people should buy two copies of the musical work, one in one format and one in another. Illegal? Most likely.

Legally bad, morally fine.

[vinylrake]

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[vinylrake]

Piracy is a form of stealing, not ALL piracy is stealing.

Elf...I am not Socrates, but this doesn't make any sense.

Aye Matey, of COURSE not all piracy is stealin, have ye forgotten all the rapin' and pillagin'? There be some piratical activities that aren't stealin' in the sense we been talkin about here.

But with the current intellectual propery laws it's pretty clear. There is alot of stealing going on. No, it's not holding up a bank. No, it's not Enron. No, it's not shoplifting. But it's violating a clear law.

Of course TECHNICALLY there are lots of things people have done and continue to do which are probably clear violations of laws - which you won't see me in court testifying for the prosecution on. (Last I heard, several states still had laws against two people (even if married to each other) engaging in any kind of sexual activity other than intercourse.) But back to the music arena, the recording industry always considered it illegal to copy/burn an album you purchased legally so you could have a cassette copy of your legally purchased item (dating myself I know) for playing in your car. This was their reading of the laws, they said it was an obvious violation to make ANY kind of copy of copyrighted material even if it's only for one's own or one's family and that people should buy two copies of the musical work, one in one format and one in another. Illegal? Most likely.

So legally bad, morally fine.

[The Elfoid_TFS]

I meant not all stealing is piracy, as VR had suggested. My I'm dim.