Opera Browser - Wow!

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Opera Browser - Wow!

Postby Baak » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:21 pm

I've been using Firefox for a long time now (I keep IE around only to view the one or two sites that use Microsoft-specific non-standard stuff), but decided to go look up Opera again for the heck of it since I've been somewhat frustrated with a couple of FF features since day one. I recall the last time I looked at Opera it wasn't free. That was a while back - it's free now.

I was almost turned off by the initial "trying to be a bit too hip" look of the website (my own personal gripe), but after playing around with the browser for a couple of days, and finding the coolest skin - and having things work the way I expect them too (i.e. intuitively) - AND after being surprised by some uber-sweet little features, I think I'm hooked.

Did I mention that everything seems to run MUCH faster in Opera?

I've only been fiddling with it for two days now but just imported all my FF bookmarks (one of my biggest gripes with FF is not being able to deal with my bookmarks very easily) and set Opera to my default browser.

Imagine that. :)

There are a TON of nifty little things I've only begun to explore. VERY easy and intuitive to configure (imo). And I haven't even gotten to "mouse gesturing", which people seem to love. On top of that, it is also supposedly the most secure browser - even more so than FF. Interesting.

This is the most excited I've been about a software app since I don't know when. So I thought I'd pass on my experience.

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Postby The Elfoid_TFS » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:48 pm

I can download/use Opera for free on my Wii, shall try it then....come on December 8th : )
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Postby sillek » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:03 pm

Didn't really care for Opera.

Safari works for me. It's better than FireFox or Camino.
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Postby The Elfoid_TFS » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:28 pm

Firefox > Safari, speed wise. I found at least.
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Postby vinylrake » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:08 am

Granted I am a couple of versions back (OS X.2.8) but I do not like Safari one bit. I am sure it was not the designers intent - but it reminds me too much of Netscape Navigator. Yes, I said Navigator. Or maybe it is Mosaic I am thinking of.

After having tabbed windows I just can not live without them.

ps. Anyone know why is there a an automatic 'quick find' feature in Firefox that seems to turn itself on and off at random (or what the trigger is)? Some time in Firefox everytime I type a single quote (') in a forum post it opens the browser quick-find window and thinks I want to do a text search. It was doing it earlier when i typed the first part of this note, then I went off to search for how to turn it off, then I decided to download opera, now it's fine and I can type single quotes again without the search bar opening. wth?
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Postby Frumius » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:56 am

vinylrake Wrote:After having tabbed windows I just can not live without them.

Safari has tabs! And I like 'em better 'n firefox's. A

nd vr, 10.2.8! OS X hadn't really arrived fully back then, though when it was current we all said it had, heh ;)
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Postby vinylrake » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:13 pm

Frumius Wrote:And vr, 10.2.8! OS X hadn't really arrived fully back then, though when it was current we all said it had, heh ;)


True, but given my hardware configuration the version of Firefox that runs in OS X.2.8 is eons better than the version of Safari that runs in OS X.2.8.

Blame Apple for making the newer and 'better' versions of Safari NOT compatible with older versions of OS X - but it is what it is. In many regards Apple is as bad or worse than Microsoft in these kinds of things. I mean seriously, most (all?) of the recent releases of Safari have been incompatible with even the previous version of the OS. wth? Imagine if back when IE was the only windows browser in town they had made each minor release of IE incompatible with the previous minor Windows version? The mac army would have been up in arms screaming at how unfair and mercenary MS was being and screaming about what a horrible company MS was. But since it's Apple it's somehow ok to screw their customers by forcing them to upgrade hardware and OS just to get the latest version of the browser.

I do like Apple products, by and large they are well designed and fun to use, but I really, really, really hate Apple the company (at least Apple the Company from the mid 90's on) and it's megalomaniacal leader Herr Jobs.
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Postby Baak » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:48 am

vinylrake Wrote:Granted I am a couple of versions back (OS X.2.8) but I do not like Safari one bit. I am sure it was not the designers intent - but it reminds me too much of Netscape Navigator. Yes, I said Navigator. Or maybe it is Mosaic I am thinking of.

After having tabbed windows I just can not live without them.

ps. Anyone know why is there a an automatic 'quick find' feature in Firefox that seems to turn itself on and off at random (or what the trigger is)? Some time in Firefox everytime I type a single quote (') in a forum post it opens the browser quick-find window and thinks I want to do a text search. It was doing it earlier when i typed the first part of this note, then I went off to search for how to turn it off, then I decided to download opera, now it's fine and I can type single quotes again without the search bar opening. wth?


That was the most annoying bug I encountered in Firefox - period. It seemed to turn on/off at random and many of the support forums said: "it's fixed" or "fix it with these options" (worked sometimes) or even "fix it with about:config (advanced settings)" (which again only worked sometimes).

The only way I figured out how to solve it was to create the text in Notepad (Windows scratchpad) and then paste it in! Of course, an awful lot of words use the ' character! Why they picked that one is beyond me. Why it wasn't (there's a word with it in it - there's another one! ditto! doh!) configurable is also beyond me. I kinda found a solution (on the upteenth forum/google search), but then that stopped working...

The only thing that fixed it for me was upgrading to FF 2.0. :|


The other thing that annoyed me was when ALL my settings, bookmarks, etc. VANISHED. Poof. Gone. Luckily I found that there are backup copies of your bookmarks (I back them up regularly anyway) deep in the installation tree - but how many average users are going to find them? To them it looks like "everything vanished" - because it did! What annoyed me was having all my settings gone too. :x

Turns out the "default" user sometimes does that - nice feature! - so it's better to create a named account (only found out about this on another forum...). And how do you do that? Obscure method that I would only remember now by googling for it. Seriously. It's not obvious until you read it in some forum. WTH? This should be under the installation folder for FF!!! DUH.

Sorry - much of FF I really liked, and I hated IE so much I jumped on FF, but stuff like this was enough to drive me nuts. That, the bookmarks (anyone spend any time working on those during development?!?!) and having all my extensions expire when they released a security upgrade. Once again: wth? They should be supported for more than just every teeny upgrade!

Lastly: trying to drag/drop stuff in FF was like doing so while drunk or something... it NEVER works the way it should!! This is simple stuff!! Try moving your bookmarks around sometime via drag/drop - I dare you! Heck, try doing anything but the most basic stuff with your FF bookmarks! ;)

Have a column of bookmarks that extend beyond the page? In FF they put a little arrow at the top/bottom that you have to CLICK AND HOLD and scroll through every frickin' time - WTF?!? Oh and if you click one - or slip off the list - and go back - guess what? You have to do the same thing AGAIN. It doesn't even remember where you left off!!! The way Opera does it is so much better (see below).



Now, there are 3 things I've found so far in Opera that make no sense to me why they aren't done differently. I plan to post these in the Opera forums:

(1) You cannot save a group of tabs as a folder - WTF? From the browser that supposedly invented tabs?!? This is the one really bad thing I've found. A no brainer. They say you can save as a "session" (it saves your entire current session each time if you wish and you can save these off separately if desired), but I don't want them there - I want them as a simple folder in my bookmarks. DUH.

(2) Cannot drag a link into one of the folders you have on your personal toolbar. This is the only place you can't seem to drag/drop something totally intuitively (like you can with EVERYTHING else) - again: a no-brainer.

(3) The spell checker is not as good as the new FF 2.0 "underline with little red dots as you type". That was the sweetest thing in FF 2.0 imo. It would be auto-spell-checking this post since it's text in a form! Neat stuff in FF. In Opera you have to install a separate GNU piece of software + the dictionary and then right-click to say "spell check". Oh yeah, people are gonna do that rather than the FF 2.0 way... last time: DUH.

Now, with those three no-brainers out of the way, here's a taste of the neat stuff that makes me stay with Opera, besides the fact that it seems MUCH faster and seems to take MUCH less memory (a serious problem with FF still...).


Opera Plusses I've Found So Far:

* So many things are customizable it is insane. All the layout stuff - like crazy. The way I want it! Amazing.

* Many of the skins are designed with Opera users in mind who apparently all agree that the more screen you have for browsing the better. I love that.

* Something I've done forever in FF: I like to right-click a link and select "Open Link In New Tab" - but in the background. To do this you have to set the option (which is worded rather oddly) in the Tools->Options. Ok, here's the Opera way: right-click and you have ALL these options available every time: Open, Open in New Tab, Open in Background Tab, Open in New Window, Open in Background Window! Thus you can make the choice EASILY each time! SWEET!! :)

* Tab bar can be made to "wrap" with the flick of an option, so you get too many tabs it starts another row, rather than making them too small or the new FF 2.0 feature of putting extended arrows right/left that you have to click on - very annoying. Did I mention with this uber-cool skin I got that the tabs are really thin so they take up very little real estate?

* Can turn off bottom status bar with another option - that much more real estate. Can multi-tile, cascade all windows with one button click. Images *full screen* with a button click (nifty).

* Hover over a tab for an instant and you can have a thumbnail preview of the page that tab is viewing! Wow!

* Right-click option: "Copy address" - something I do ALL THE TIME!! Handy.

* Highlight some text: can right-click to use as url (in case it wasn't made into a link), or send to Wikipedia, or to Google, etc., etc., etc.

* Mouse Gestures: OMG SWEET!! Want to go "Back" to the last page? Hold right mouse button down and move the mouse to the left. Voila. Same to the right goes forward. Thus you can go back/forth from wherever the mouse is. All customizable of course with whole sets you can save/restore. Some people say they can't live without the mouse gestures - I can see why after using them for 10 minutes.

* Can move tabs around. Can lock a tab. Can close all tabs or close all but one. Etc.

* Another thing I REALLY like about the skins: download it - asks if you like it because it changes the look/feel of your browser RIGHT AWAY - no reloading! - even if you save you can select from your list and it will change IMMEDIATELY to let you see them. Fun!

* Widgets: Neat stuff like games (tetris) whatever - but useful stuff too: reminder tool, weather with forecast, image searcher (does Flickr, Google, etc.) - all made by users. Easy to turn on/off (flick of a switch).

* Bookmarks SORT. FF bookmarks started driving me NUTS. I'm not 100% happy with even Opera ones yet, but at least I can sort them a zillion ways, move them around intuitively, and search them MUCH more easily - including subfolders properly!

* Have a column of bookmarks that extend beyond the page? In Opera it shows as much as possible with a "more items" at the bottom of the list - move down to it and the next page pops up left or right of the current one and keep them ALL visible, even when you do this several times! I can get to a five page list of anything in a few seconds and it never drops! LOVE IT!!

* "Notes" - you can save snippets of text, links, etc., into "notes" as easily as bookmarks. Haven't even explored these yet but this looks sweet.

* Here's an example showing what options you get when you select text from anywhere and then right-click (I had to quote it otherwise you couldn't see it very well since it looks like the post) - notice that if your default "Search" is set to Google (as shown) you could just do right-click-Search and be searching for the text instantly - but check out all the options:

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* And apparently the built-in email is totally sweet too - with database storage automatically and no folders! - gonna try that soon(tm)! :)


So bottom line so far: Opera not perfect but the plusses are definitely outweighing the minuses - for me - so far. :)
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